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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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for December the 14th 2014 Richard

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Saunders here with you from Sydney

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Australia this is show number 321 coming

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up on this week's show an interview with

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a good friend of mine an old buddy of

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mine dr. Paul Willis from the Royal

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Institution of Australia you hear it

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here every week on the skeptic zone www

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RI aus ok you you know it so well I'd be

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meaning to visit the Royal Institution

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for a long time a couple of weeks ago I

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finally did it as part of the James

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Randi tour an evening with james randi

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tour oh hello Fred you come to join me

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for the skeptics on hello Fred let's

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read The Skeptical cat why don't you sit

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sit there sit there it's like herding

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cats anyway yes I went to the Royal

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Paul Willis on his birthday which was a

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disruption sort of like feline

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disruption isn't it Fred yeah thank you

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what really you're skeptical of what

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sorry what what following that it is a

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week in science from the Royal

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Institution of Australia and then we

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for yourself when that segment comes up

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lately in Australia there's been a

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it should be thrown away but some people

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like to bathe in it or do they I doubt

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that I'm pretty skeptical about that raw

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milks been sold in this country as a

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bath product and our guest reporter has

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something to say about that following

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the recent death of a small child quite

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a serious report coming up then it's may

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not spooky action may not interviews

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who attended the james randi talk here

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in sydney the movie and honest liar and

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interview with Lawrence loom the

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comedian skeptical comedian who are was

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chatting to Randy onstage in Sydney and

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Lawrence is going to be discussing

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amongst other things his skepticism of

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Santa Claus hmm there's a warning for

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you of her a skeptical look at Santa

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Claus Fred what do you want for

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christmas what's that a new cat post I

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will see what we can do then right at

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the end of the show a small tribute to a

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friend of mine who passed away a few

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days ago an inspiration of mine the

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magician Steve Walker very sorry to hear

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about Steve's passing indeed but for now

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I'm not going to run downstairs because

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I've got something right here it's a

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bowl of rice crackers grab your rice

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crackers and join me in listening to the

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my dear friend dr. paul Willis hello

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Paul how are you Richard particularly

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well you're looking more and more

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handsome as weak as we grow old because

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wish you a very happy right thank you

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very much and of course we were here

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last night visiting the fine royal and

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since you should not Australia www RI us

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that'll tell you i got that memory off

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randi and everybody i think had oh what

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night he's just such a gentleman you

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were the consummate host thank you it

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was a wonderful evening I certainly

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enjoy it but what a thrill it is for me

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a wonderful building you yeah well we've

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cricket and also we found the by the way

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all the shares and Poseidon that famous

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misadventure an Australian stop probing

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years they were all sold in my office in

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your heart that vessel so that there was

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o'clock in the morning is a well we do

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do things well in that you do and please

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tutorials TV yes it's Australia's

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science channel it's an at the moment

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it's an on-demand service and we are not

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best science audio-visual material we

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groups number of different institutions

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distinct into the Australian skeptical

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community is you need to have a vodcast

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oils TV well then it's been assessed for

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monthly sounds appealing yeah you will

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sponsorship because we will allow

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accessible is specifically designed to

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computers you can also pick it up on an

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following that but it's a wave of how

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digital technology and online technology

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is completely redefining our our whole

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taxi companies had to do or you look at

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infrastructure that the old school

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television space yeah we are actually

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but we haven't had to commit to buying

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television stations have had to do but

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we don't have to have a license so we

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can do dangerous and interesting things

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literally we got global coverage we were

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able to do that as a way of talking

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about men's health issues family

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planning world population so we can do

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that who what other television stations

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going to do that no one no one its

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territory we we can be dangerous we can

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do things differently at my direction to

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my staff is I want you to find the

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boundaries with your rear vision mirror

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go out there and break every boundary

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you can the worst that can happen is we

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have to say sorry and pull their heads

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in well yes that's true that's true tell

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adelaide because not having been here

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building would be like as I approached

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it but I discovered it sort of nestled

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in london in the you can be half a block

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away and not know it's there and then

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surrounded by skyscrapers the Adelaide

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version of the skyscraper but then it's

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this little oasis of culture and

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intellectual thinking right in the heart

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national reamer we don't tend to hold

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events that only people in Adelaide can

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access so we deliberately constructive

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ents that we can live stream so they're

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just the place to do it where we had the

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evening with james randi last night it's

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a wonderful intimate what would you call

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something so we can actually set it up

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as quite an intimate space but because

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of the online capacity where we can live

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stream and high-definition we can

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nationwide internationally we regularly

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writing workshop in there but earlier

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Netherlands participating in the grant

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conversation with Antarctica and people

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Kingdom were asking questions of me

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skeptics on podcast is a digital

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disruption to mainstream radio indeed

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indeed a digital disruption is all

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around us and it really has to be

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watched another startling factor or a

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digital disruption you go back 10 years

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store your data run you do it all on the

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cloud you rent the space on the cloud

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your HR systems and your personnel

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systems and your spreadsheets all that

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sort of stuff you just get that free off

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the cloud you don't have to invest in

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all of the bloody software or whatever

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yeah so what are you talking about the

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back office basics like word processing

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spreadsheets or this sort of stuff yeah

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yeah it's all that it's it's all there

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yeah and net so now you have the unfair

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ability to compete with companies that

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have been around and have done the hard

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yards and if had to spend a million

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dollars on infrastructure and you can

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get in there and compete within 25

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thousand bucks yeah it's staggering and

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people are doing yeah yeah in every

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conceivable field yeah and if the

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enemies of reason you're doing that we

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should do it too almost definitely don't

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yeah it's it's intriguing when you says

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when you say the the activities of the

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enemies of reason because when you

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actually look at creationist websites

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the creationist had bloody good websites

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really early I mean of course they're

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content was crap I think we know what

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you mean here but from the point of view

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of the presentation of their ideas they

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know

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the early on that you need to have a

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high quality presence on the end on the

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internet or through a good quality

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website and and the same is true of the

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homeopaths and danna chiropractic all of

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their they all realize that you need

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that online presence and yeah I wouldn't

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say that the the skeptics have been have

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had to learn from them i think the

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uptake of the the digital space has been

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bit more relaxing in the skeptics i want

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as terrific to see things like the

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skeptic go zone up and run running

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because that's exactly what needs to

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happen I would dare say I take the point

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but I dare say what what the difference

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is is that all these other sites you

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just discuss well yes and no for the

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creationist would certainly be the

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psychic to homeopaths and all those its

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first and foremost business yeah indeed

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where is when you think of Australian

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skeptics and maybe the skeptics aren't

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even and other things like that it's not

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on the core motivation it's not business

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it's getting our message across yeah so

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maybe we can learn something from being

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a little bit more what's the word I'm

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looking for well taking leaf out of the

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digital disruption you don't have to be

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a business in order to set up a Google

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Earth quality web page you know when

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there was the business incentive to do

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it because it cost you so much money to

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actually set up and run a website then

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you know that was a deterrent to you

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guys because you weren't running as a

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business but now that those costs are

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largely evaporated you're free to get in

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there and compete with them yeah

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recognized a competitive advantage

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usually go in that you haven't had to go

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through all that

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but there's the word this exactly well

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Paul I will wrap it up now you won't

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believe the schedule I'm on for this

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week I'm after I'm just about to fly to

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perform in the brisbane Linda Melbourne

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Rebecca Sydney but we're all of this has

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been a week of james randi but it's

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certainly a great pleasure to catch up

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with you my old friend yep to see the

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Royal Institution of Australia at long

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last yeah and can I also say thank you

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to the listeners a number of them have

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come to me directly and so how much they

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appreciate a week in science on the

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skeptics oh yes we love with you that's

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a terrific partnership we're only too

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happy for you guys to run with that it

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it's a match made in heaven it is thank

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you and to sign up for how would you

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like to introduce this week's episode of

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a weekend side now ladies and gentlemen

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be prepared to be blown away learn

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something you may not have known before

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coming up is a week in science welcome

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to a week and science from our a oz

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bringing you the science you need to

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know is that blue fuzz you might have

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fished out of your belly button but

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what's his belly button lint and two

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yeah seriously we're doing this is the

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question have always asked ourselves

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where does it come from it was always

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blue today we're finding an answer

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believe it or not Australia's ABC ran a

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nationwide survey to find out about

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Australia's belly button lint they

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discovered that men have more belly

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button lint and generally the older you

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get the more you have most people who

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had belly button lint were hairy and

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nearly all had an innie belly button

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only eight percent of people who said

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they had belly button lint had a navel

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ring and many people reported that the

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production of belly button lint reduced

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or disappeared when they got a navel

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ring so that's the facts now let's look

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at the theory of what causes it the most

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plausible theories that the hairs on

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your stomach cause small abrasions in

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your clothes causing fabric fibers to

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fall off and get trapped the hairs on

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your stomach generally point towards

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your belly button so natural movements

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push the fibers along the hairs into the

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belly button where it combines to form a

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ball this hair movement theory would

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explain the difference between people

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with lots of body hair and those without

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in fact if you shave your stomach barely

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bus and leeds formation reduces the

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belly button lint isn't only just fabric

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fibers though the little balls also

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contain skin sweat and dust and now for

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fast facts about your belly button

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oh that has been claimed the ancient

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Egyptian stars navel piercing there is

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actually no historical evidence of it at

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all the bellybutton biodiversity project

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aims to understand the bacteria in your

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belly button they've found the amount

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and types vary widely from persons

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person whether you get an innie or an

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outie depends on the scar tissue that

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forms when your umbilical cord drops off

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and then Australian man holds the

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world's largest collection of his own

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belly button lint 22 grams collected

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over the course of 26 years that's it

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for this week in science for more

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information on belly buttons go to the

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IRS website RI aus org dot a you follow

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us on twitter at our oz and like us on

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facebook i'm ben lewis and we'll catch

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hi this is Tim Farley you probably know

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me from what's the harm net a catalog of

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the real world harm caused by lack of

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critical thinking but that's not my only

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project i present at skeptic events I

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post a daily skeptic history fact on

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Twitter and Facebook and I blog about

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using new techniques on the internet to

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advance skepticism come over to skep

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tools com and check out my latest ideas

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but first enjoy the rest of the skeptic

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hi everyone I'm Heidi Robertson from the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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which it has been kind enough to have me

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as a guest reporter this week although

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I'm not actually going to be talking

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about vaccination this time well okay

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maybe mentioned a little bit on Thursday

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the 11th of December 2014 news broke in

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Australia of four children who had

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become seriously ill and a

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three-year-old who had died following

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ingestion by all children of raw cow's

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milk that came from a small dairy farm

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on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria

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it is illegal in Australia to sell raw

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milk for consumption but let's cover a

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bit of background information first raw

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cow's milk is simply milk from the cow

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that has not been pasteurized

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pasteurization a process developed by

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louis pasteur is a process that heats

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milk to a specific temperature for a set

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period of time with the purpose of

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killing bacteria that are potentially

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dangerous for consumption according to

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the cdc website quote before the

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invention and acceptance of

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pasteurization raw milk was a common

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source of the bacteria that cause

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tuberculosis diphtheria severe

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streptococcal infections typhoid fever

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and other foodborne illnesses these

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illnesses killed many people each year

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especially young children end quote and

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from the Victorian Department of Health

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quote everybody is vulnerable to illness

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associated with the consumption of

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unpasteurized milk however the risks are

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even greater for children the elderly

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anyone who is immunocompromised or has

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underlying health problems and pregnant

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women and quote pasteurization has been

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used in Australia since the early 1900s

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becoming standard practice in the

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mid-1950s processing requirements in the

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Australian New Zealand Food Standards

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code require that quote milk intended

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for human consumption

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is pasteurized or equivalently processed

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to eliminate pathogenic bacteria that

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may be present the National Food

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standard-setting body recently completed

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an extensive assessment of raw cow's

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milk and concluded that the risk to the

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public was too high to change the

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current processing requirement end quote

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this review was completed this year in

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2014 the chief health officer in

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Victoria dr. Rosemarie Lester said that

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the three-year-old who died as well as

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two of the other children affected had

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hemolytic uremic syndrome which the

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Victorian Department of Health says is a

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rare condition affecting the kidneys and

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bloodstream which can lead to renal

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failure and death and can be caused by a

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type of e.coli found in the gut of

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cattle the other two children who became

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seriously ill had Cryptosporidium

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infection Mountain View farm owned by

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Vicky Jones is the small dairy farm at

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the center of the controversy on their

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website Mountain View organic calm they

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state that they run a herd of 150 Jersey

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and Jersey cross cows they offer

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customers a share in this herd as per

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the website quote a herd share is a

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group of people owning an interest in a

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herd they collectively by a herd in this

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case a dairy herd and pay a farmer to

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manage and care for their cows each her

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donor is then entitled to a portion of

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the herds produce end quote now while it

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is illegal to sell raw cow's milk for

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consumption in Australia it is perfectly

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legal to sell it for cosmetic purposes

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Mountain View Farm packages their raw

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milk labelled as bath milk it is sold

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alongside other drinks in health food

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stores and packaged in a similar way to

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pasteurized milk seen pictures of the

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raw milk alongside drinking milk in

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stores one might be forgiven for

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assuming that the raw milk is in

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act okay to drink if the label was not

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looked at carefully in labeling it both

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as bath milk and not for human

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consumption it becomes a beauty product

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Mountain View Farm sells one liter of

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bath milk for three dollars fifty as one

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Facebook commentator pointed out quote

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it will cost over one hundred and fifty

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dollars to have a milk bath with their

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product unless you were Cleopatra who

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00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:47,160
the hell has milk baths anymore end

546
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:50,760
quote the age this week reported that a

547
00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:53,250
health food shop who was a high volume

548
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:55,350
seller of the raw milk from Mountain

549
00:25:59,960 --> 00:25:57,570
View Farm said it was common knowledge

550
00:26:02,600 --> 00:25:59,970
that customers purchased it to drink

551
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:02,610
despite it being labeled for cosmetic

552
00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:07,110
use only he said quote no one's admitted

553
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:09,870
to bathing in it everyone has a bit of a

554
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:14,490
laugh about that and quote Vicky Jane's

555
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:17,070
the owner of Mountain View Farm has

556
00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:19,410
admitted to ABC News that she drinks the

557
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:22,590
milk herself she went on to say to the

558
00:26:28,820 --> 00:26:26,460
herald-sun quote we put warnings on our

559
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:28,830
milk for people not to drink it and we

560
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:30,810
always tell them it is not to be

561
00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:34,890
consumed end quote she went on to say

562
00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:37,830
quote parents are irresponsible if they

563
00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:39,870
actually give raw milk to their children

564
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:43,950
end quote these statements are made

565
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:46,500
despite the farms about page on their

566
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:49,290
website stating in the description about

567
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:51,750
themselves their milk and yogurt is

568
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,350
incredibly tasty this page has since

569
00:27:00,020 --> 00:26:58,260
been taken down although several people

570
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:00,030
with foresight have captured the page

571
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:01,770
along with other material that may be

572
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:05,460
likely to be taken down the day after

573
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:07,410
this story broke Mountain View Farm

574
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,210
posted the following on their Facebook

575
00:27:15,170 --> 00:27:11,850
page which is called Mountain View Farm

576
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:15,180
share and that page has also since been

577
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:17,090
taken down

578
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:20,960
here's the quote what a day we had

579
00:27:25,390 --> 00:27:23,030
yesterday waking up to the disgusting

580
00:27:26,830 --> 00:27:25,400
front page of the herald-sun shame on

581
00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:26,840
the reporter and the people that were

582
00:27:30,790 --> 00:27:28,580
behind that piece of rubbish that was

583
00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:30,800
written to the health department you

584
00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:33,380
have opened a hornet's nest not for raw

585
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:35,750
milk but for exposing the garbage that

586
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:38,030
consumers are fed the chemical laid and

587
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:41,210
pesticides herbicides antibiotics that

588
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:43,190
are used to grow food to feed families

589
00:27:48,370 --> 00:27:45,530
shame on the system that allows this

590
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:48,380
shame on food safety standards that

591
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:50,690
permit and make up the levels they

592
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:53,390
deemed safe look at how many people are

593
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,510
sick why are our hospitals overflowing

594
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,360
why is good quality food so expensive

595
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:01,520
and out of reach of young families on

596
00:28:07,090 --> 00:28:03,860
low wages the very people that need to

597
00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:07,100
feed our future generation today is the

598
00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:09,470
start of a change in the world for

599
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:11,990
communities and farmers we will grow and

600
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:13,820
educate farmers to grow food without

601
00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:16,250
chemicals and antibiotics and we will

602
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:18,560
educate families and we will make sure

603
00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:21,080
that everyone is fed from the young to

604
00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:26,600
the very old end quote hardly the

605
00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:28,700
response one would expect to see from a

606
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:30,440
business claiming that their product is

607
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:33,640
only sold for cosmetic purposes and

608
00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:36,110
specifically stating that they will make

609
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:38,390
sure everyone from the young to the very

610
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,030
oldest fed is probably a foolish thing

611
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:44,000
to say given that these are two of the

612
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:45,710
vulnerable groups that will suffer the

613
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:48,490
most as a result of these infections and

614
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:51,050
given that a three-year-old has just

615
00:28:57,580 --> 00:28:54,350
passed away it has been widely

616
00:29:00,280 --> 00:28:57,590
speculated on social media of the farms

617
00:29:02,050 --> 00:29:00,290
legal or ethical responsibility with

618
00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:02,060
regards to death and illness of these

619
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:04,190
children or whether it was the parents

620
00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:08,570
responsibility or was it both either way

621
00:29:14,650 --> 00:29:11,030
it is a tragic outcome and one that

622
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,660
shouldn't happen speaking now as a

623
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,360
parent myself much of what we decide on

624
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:19,520
for our kids is weighed up according to

625
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:21,830
the risk to the child versus that

626
00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:24,410
benefit to the child should I let him

627
00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:27,680
climb that tree should I vaccinate my

628
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:30,390
child the answer to that of course

629
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:32,490
is yes unless the child has a legitimate

630
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:35,460
medical reason not to be should I let

631
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:37,080
him have that extra slice of chocolate

632
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:40,110
cake do I let him have a ride on that

633
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,410
trail bike because ultimately we as

634
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:45,360
adults have to make the best decisions

635
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,090
on their behalf they rely on us for it

636
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:51,000
so what is the risk-benefit analysis for

637
00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:54,570
letting a child consume raw milk well

638
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:56,430
raw milk proponents have a wide variety

639
00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:58,770
of views on the benefit of raw cow's

640
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:02,580
milk as I found out here are a sample of

641
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,590
the testimonials I found on various

642
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:07,440
pages of the interwebs ranging from

643
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:12,540
plausible to not so plausible raw milk

644
00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:14,850
tastes better it's thicker it's creamier

645
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:18,270
it aids digestion it gets rid of or

646
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:21,510
prevents allergies and asthma it aids in

647
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:24,200
the treatment of osteoporosis arthritis

648
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:26,730
digestive disorders fatigue weight loss

649
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:30,810
and even cancer and the old favorite it

650
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:34,860
boosts the immune system so are there

651
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:37,110
any quality studies showing benefits of

652
00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:40,860
raw milk over pasteurized well this year

653
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:42,900
a policy statement was put out jointly

654
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:45,210
by the committee on infectious diseases

655
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:48,120
the Committee on nutrition and the

656
00:30:54,530 --> 00:30:51,710
American Academy of Pediatrics titled

657
00:30:57,050 --> 00:30:54,540
consumption of raw or unpasteurized milk

658
00:31:01,160 --> 00:30:57,060
and milk products by pregnant women and

659
00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:01,170
children it is stated here with regards

660
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:02,790
the infections that can occur from the

661
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,520
ingestion of raw milk quote these

662
00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:08,000
infections can occur in both healthy and

663
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:10,920
immunocompromised individuals including

664
00:31:16,550 --> 00:31:14,310
older adults infants young children and

665
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:16,560
pregnant women and their unborn fetuses

666
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:18,990
in whom life-threatening infections and

667
00:31:24,170 --> 00:31:21,930
fetal miscarriage can occur efforts to

668
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:24,180
limit the sale of raw milk products have

669
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:26,250
met with opposition from those who are

670
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:28,530
proponents of the purported health

671
00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:30,930
benefits of consuming raw milk products

672
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,420
which contain natural or unprocessed

673
00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:36,080
factors not inactivated by

674
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,350
pasteurization however the benefits of

675
00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:42,690
these natural factors have not been

676
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:44,280
clearly demonstrated

677
00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:47,010
in evidence-based studies and therefore

678
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:49,830
do not outweigh the risks of raw milk

679
00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:53,370
consumption substantial data suggests

680
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:56,790
that pasteurized milk confers equivalent

681
00:32:02,960 --> 00:31:59,130
health benefits compared with raw milk

682
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:02,970
without the additional risk of bacterial

683
00:32:09,290 --> 00:32:07,650
infections and quote on Friday a mother

684
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,300
of one of the children who recovered

685
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:12,240
from hemolytic uremic syndrome spoke to

686
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:14,610
the media stating that her son developed

687
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:16,590
diarrhea and vomiting which lasted 10

688
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:19,230
days after he had sips of her smoothies

689
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:21,150
made with Mountain View organic bath

690
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:24,690
milk she stated that at the time of his

691
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:27,630
subsequent hospitalization he had only

692
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:29,730
twenty percent kidney function and was

693
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:33,600
seriously ill in hospital for a week the

694
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:36,390
baby has since recovered the mother

695
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:38,400
acknowledged that she had been blinded

696
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:41,190
by the wider trend towards raw food but

697
00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:43,350
said she was not aware of the serious

698
00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:47,280
risks associated with raw milk she said

699
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:49,590
quote if I had heard of anything like

700
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,110
this happening to anyone I wouldn't have

701
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:54,960
brought it into my home I wouldn't have

702
00:33:00,800 --> 00:32:57,930
consumed it myself it was a wake-up call

703
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:00,810
to make sure i'm no longer blinded by

704
00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:04,020
the latest trends it was a wake-up call

705
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:06,660
to make sure i'm making informed

706
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,490
decisions for my family and quote there

707
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,200
are other concerning aspects to this

708
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,080
story for example the farms facebook

709
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:18,360
page seems to like sharing links from

710
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:21,150
Mike Adams aka the health ranger over at

711
00:33:28,910 --> 00:33:24,270
the natural news website one mean they

712
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:28,920
shared has two columns on the left is

713
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:33,690
the title FDA says safe with a list

714
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:37,500
including aspartame msg artificial

715
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:41,370
colors propylene glycol fluoride SSRI

716
00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:44,310
day and antidepressants antipsychotic

717
00:33:48,790 --> 00:33:46,920
drugs for soldiers psychotropic drugs

718
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,800
for kids mercury in vaccines

719
00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:50,880
chemotherapy for babies authorized

720
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:52,920
proteins chemical preservatives sodium

721
00:33:57,650 --> 00:33:55,170
nitrite cow pus in milk pesticides

722
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,660
herbicides fungicides radiation GMOs

723
00:34:03,050 --> 00:33:59,640
chlorine arsenic aluminium mercury in

724
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:03,060
fish and BPA in the right-hand column

725
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:08,520
the title FDA says dangerous has one

726
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:13,200
thing underneath fresh milk it's these

727
00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:15,419
kind of fear-mongering memes that

728
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,470
shocked the scientifically illiterate

729
00:34:23,870 --> 00:34:21,300
the old saying that dose makes the

730
00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:23,880
poison seems to have no place in the

731
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:27,020
minds of certain fundamentalist groups

732
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:29,490
another naturalnews meme that was posted

733
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:31,650
on the farms Facebook page had nothing

734
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:33,390
to do with raw milk or farming in

735
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:36,570
general but the rise in autism and how

736
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:39,419
quote experts say vaccines have nothing

737
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:43,500
to do with it and quote or perhaps they

738
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:45,240
were concerned about the cows developing

739
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:48,090
autism although being a certified

740
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,980
organic farm means that they do not have

741
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:53,280
to vaccinate their herd and in fact may

742
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:56,010
only do so if there is a specific threat

743
00:35:01,040 --> 00:34:58,650
of an endemic vaccine preventable

744
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,050
disease and even then they have to get a

745
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:05,040
vet to sign a document stating this it

746
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:06,930
is interesting however that whilst the

747
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:09,090
farm purports to be ethical and kind to

748
00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:12,680
animals use of antibiotics vaccination

749
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:15,320
parasit asides and anesthetics is

750
00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:18,890
discouraged accepting cases of emergency

751
00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:21,750
it's stated on the farms heard share

752
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:24,750
agreement quote we have outstanding

753
00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:27,000
success with alternative treatments such

754
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:30,350
as manuka honey garlic tinctures and

755
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:33,420
homeopathic remedies and are committed

756
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:38,280
to continuing end quote and quote we use

757
00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:40,380
alternative methods of treating cows

758
00:35:45,590 --> 00:35:42,630
that would conventionally be treated

759
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:45,600
with antibiotics for example if a cow is

760
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:48,270
showing signs of mastitis something very

761
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:50,910
rare in our organic heard they would be

762
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:53,850
treated with manuka honey the honey is

763
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:55,950
massaged onto the infected teeth and

764
00:36:02,300 --> 00:35:59,400
surrounding other area this massage in

765
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:02,310
itself is highly beneficial in clearing

766
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:04,590
blockages that may be leading to

767
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:06,010
mastitis

768
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:11,440
quote now clearly i hope i'm not a cow

769
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:15,480
and i do not generally favored anecdotes

770
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:19,150
however i have had mastitis myself post

771
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:21,880
pregnancy which left me with a fever of

772
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:25,690
40 degrees and feeling like a sack of

773
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:30,880
well cow manure how it is deemed ethical

774
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:33,250
to not give antibiotics for such a

775
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:36,450
painful condition I'm not too sure at

776
00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:39,850
the time of writing the a Triple C has

777
00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:42,040
asked the Mountain View Farm to place a

778
00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:44,200
product recall on their website which

779
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:47,260
they have done they have also taken down

780
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:50,800
their Facebook page in the meantime the

781
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:52,930
child's death is being investigated by

782
00:36:59,610 --> 00:36:56,520
the coroner and we await the results

783
00:37:01,940 --> 00:36:59,620
this has been harder Robertson of the

784
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:01,950
Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

785
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:05,460
you can find out more about our group at

786
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:34,850
hello may not here pull my cracker no

787
00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:37,350
that's not quite right Maynard's handy

788
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,260
tip

789
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:41,760
did you know that next year which i

790
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:45,060
believe is referred to as 2015 you can

791
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:47,610
reuse some of your old calendars that's

792
00:37:50,780 --> 00:37:49,050
right i'm sure you all just chuck them

793
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:50,790
out and hook them out when you've got a

794
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:52,890
bang over on New Year's Day but don't do

795
00:37:57,350 --> 00:37:54,810
that folks keep them I keep everything

796
00:37:59,360 --> 00:37:57,360
in fact this recording was made in 1957

797
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:59,370
it is a significant occasion in the

798
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:02,520
history of the British Empire in 2015

799
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:05,640
you can reuse your calendars from the

800
00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:11,520
following years 1987 that'll be

801
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:12,870
calendars would lots of shoulder pads on

802
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:20,700
them 1998 and 2009 as well as lots of

803
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:23,640
other years like 1925 so if your

804
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:25,290
grandma's got something around there it

805
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:27,300
could be time to raid her calendar stash

806
00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:29,790
those years again for those playing at

807
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,070
home 1987 1998 and 2009 can be reused in

808
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,140
2015 now this year I was reusing

809
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,480
calendars I think from 2004 and I was

810
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:44,400
able to use my Star Trek calendar from

811
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:48,270
2004 my Melrose Place calendar I bet

812
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:51,750
you're jealous from the 90s and my

813
00:38:56,570 --> 00:38:54,450
dannii minogue calendar I bet you wish

814
00:39:00,080 --> 00:38:56,580
you lived at my place so for this year

815
00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:00,090
I've only found one the 1998 vintage

816
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:04,230
Helmut Newton RT calendar it's very arty

817
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:05,940
very black and white people not wearing

818
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,850
much but I'll be putting that up I don't

819
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:10,980
know underneath my kitchen table I think

820
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:12,540
as well i'll be putting that so remember

821
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,130
that those winning years again for those

822
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:17,160
of you with the supplementary 1997 1998

823
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:20,880
and 2009 get to it reuse those calendars

824
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:24,840
remember reduce reuse and rewind your

825
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:26,130
tape before you take it back to the

826
00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:28,200
video rental store that's been Maynard's

827
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:31,120
handy tip let me say that

828
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:34,910
Raju by Maynard calm Dada you where you

829
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:37,010
can find the Christmas episode of bunga

830
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:40,010
bunga a very bunga bunga Christmas in

831
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:42,530
which Tim Ferguson says I wasn't it all

832
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:45,350
offended the guy's a scientist he's

833
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,450
probably never even seen a naked girl he

834
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:50,000
probably didn't even know what it was

835
00:39:58,050 --> 00:39:52,690
that was being depicted on his show hey

836
00:40:04,010 --> 00:39:58,060
silent night holy night all is calm all

837
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:08,930
his main art spooky action at the

838
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,130
look we're here with someone who's

839
00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:15,520
traveled a bit of a way well who we got

840
00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:17,380
here is pity young and I've driven

841
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:19,960
straight up hours to get it yeah look

842
00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:21,610
and how was the movie an honest life

843
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:23,020
just seeing it there on the big screen I

844
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:24,850
was I really didn't watch it until

845
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:26,260
tonight I want to see it fresh for the

846
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,790
first time and I was really impressed

847
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:29,440
with the editing the way it moved it was

848
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:31,720
never dull for a sec it was an amazing

849
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:34,060
story and I can't believe it's true yeah

850
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:36,460
yeah I liked at the end when they said

851
00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:40,060
that the real jose's he missed his

852
00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:42,040
sister's wedding by two weeks never went

853
00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:45,160
are like that what would a poor guy he

854
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,660
only took 25 years to apply for a

855
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:48,160
passport she's lucky was supposed to be

856
00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:50,710
dead oh that's the boss of course he was

857
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:53,080
meeting you there and what was the best

858
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:54,160
bit of the movie was it some of the

859
00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:56,290
unveiling of the so-called psychics I

860
00:41:00,060 --> 00:40:58,060
thought that was fantastic i'd heard I'd

861
00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:00,070
seen the footage on TV from the 80s if

862
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:02,500
Don Lane getting a shits and walking off

863
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:04,090
but I hadn't seen any other footage and

864
00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:05,650
I thought it was I love that sort of

865
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:07,120
stuff when people are revealed to be

866
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:09,550
fraudsters it was great I'm just

867
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:10,870
wondering why Randy never took it to the

868
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:12,340
next level would Peter pop up there and

869
00:41:15,330 --> 00:41:13,810
actually took a transmitter along on

870
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:15,340
that frequency and started talking to

871
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:17,500
pop out at the same time oh what a great

872
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:19,420
tree yeah that would've been pretty wild

873
00:41:21,930 --> 00:41:20,770
maybe just was the technology wasn't

874
00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:21,940
available at the time well you know it's

875
00:41:24,570 --> 00:41:23,140
interesting we still haven't learned our

876
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,580
lesson and there are still fraudsters

877
00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:27,760
out there selling yeah what do

878
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,560
we wear drinkin come on let's be honest

879
00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:30,640
here is their time you think you've been

880
00:41:36,540 --> 00:41:33,580
fooled I bought a pet rock back in the

881
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,550
day I've got rose quartz at home I did

882
00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:38,560
get my palm read once in California get

883
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:40,540
out and was it at bread generic reading

884
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:44,110
very very generic okay thanks and would

885
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:47,370
you and you could be calling on us liar

886
00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:50,890
yes yes if I'm telling the truth know if

887
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:52,660
I'm not it's a bit of a testa me a

888
00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:54,670
testimony to the art to the fact that we

889
00:41:58,770 --> 00:41:56,440
all like to self deceive on some level

890
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:58,780
yes I self deceived myself that I would

891
00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:02,800
get here on time Rick Craig you've just

892
00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:04,300
seen it on the sly what do you think I

893
00:42:09,069 --> 00:42:06,520
thought it was fantastic yeah what with

894
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:09,079
your favorite team

895
00:42:14,029 --> 00:42:12,150
it's a really hard one I mean I think

896
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:14,039
the scene where he was saying he doesn't

897
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:17,490
want on film and he obviously came back

898
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:19,140
and changed his mind about that but

899
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:20,970
because it watchings going hang on so

900
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:22,980
either the guys used it without the

901
00:42:26,299 --> 00:42:24,390
permission or he's changed his mind

902
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:26,309
about it yeah and so I guess it means

903
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:27,720
that we can all be received on some

904
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,160
level about something beard in our

905
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:31,200
professional or our personal life yeah

906
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:32,700
absolutely yeah there's we've all got

907
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:34,470
secrets I guess well is there something

908
00:42:37,549 --> 00:42:35,849
you think you've been deceived with like

909
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,559
it you know of the woo or paranormal

910
00:42:40,789 --> 00:42:39,119
nature in your life or something you

911
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:40,799
bought something human hang on I didn't

912
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:43,410
need to get this yeah my mother took me

913
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,130
for 42 years to a neurologist Wow two

914
00:42:52,099 --> 00:42:50,640
years you know okay um what I think I

915
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:52,109
find about iridology is it's supposed to

916
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:53,490
be the way you find out what stuff is

917
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,349
but yet they use other methods as well

918
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,660
so they might use iridology and they'll

919
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:59,880
do some liver testing or that look at

920
00:43:04,099 --> 00:43:02,099
things as well as that yeah it was

921
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:04,109
really weird i had these um these like

922
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:06,089
supplements that he gave me for the

923
00:43:11,539 --> 00:43:08,970
years so it was like a nonspecific kind

924
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:11,549
of cure for a nonspecific problem it

925
00:43:15,980 --> 00:43:13,140
seemed to be that way in hindsight I

926
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:15,990
think it was ok thanks a lot.joe didn't

927
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,730
expect that this is real hard-hitting

928
00:43:22,249 --> 00:43:20,880
stuff we're doing here well you've just

929
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:22,259
been to see an honest lawyer in there

930
00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:23,250
with all of us there did you have a

931
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:24,750
favorite bit of Randy's story that you

932
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:27,450
like oh that's a hard thing no it was

933
00:43:30,529 --> 00:43:29,130
all good it was there's a lot there and

934
00:43:32,509 --> 00:43:30,539
and went in the end but all the

935
00:43:34,009 --> 00:43:32,519
extradition stuff was coming out that it

936
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:34,019
was certainly interesting wasn't it was

937
00:43:37,759 --> 00:43:36,089
it really was I think it's great it

938
00:43:38,839 --> 00:43:37,769
shows that no matter who we are like you

939
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:38,849
said we can always be deceived by

940
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:40,619
something even in our personal life or

941
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,089
whatever definitely anything that's

942
00:43:46,759 --> 00:43:44,160
important to remember yeah well what did

943
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:46,769
you learn from the movie I loved it i've

944
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:48,630
been following Randy lot on YouTube fans

945
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,980
saw a lot of his videos so I've seen

946
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:51,480
this eve Popoff story and some of the

947
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:53,250
year ago or so it was really good to see

948
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,410
more of who he is as a person you see

949
00:43:58,999 --> 00:43:57,599
all the showmanship and everything like

950
00:44:01,460 --> 00:43:59,009
that but to get a bit of an insight is

951
00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:01,470
to as to how we became interested in

952
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:02,680
that or

953
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:04,030
to learn how he got up and I really

954
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:06,460
interesting and again the fact that his

955
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:07,840
father really only had two serious

956
00:44:12,330 --> 00:44:09,640
conversations with the Beast I alone

957
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:12,340
yeah that's remarkable but I think it's

958
00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:14,050
a great comment on his character that he

959
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:15,580
is able to joke about the fact that oh

960
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:17,110
yeah but I mean to me that would be a

961
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:18,790
devastating void in my childhood but

962
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:20,440
he's sort of used that and can laugh

963
00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:21,640
about an hour thought that was really

964
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:23,320
inspiring I guess that's a way great

965
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:24,730
performers do they take something like

966
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:26,260
that and try and turn around yeah I

967
00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:27,910
can't argue with that and this is

968
00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:29,260
something you think you've fallen for in

969
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:31,510
the world of woo or being self deceived

970
00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:32,770
or something you bought something you

971
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:34,360
thought I really shouldn't have got this

972
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:36,730
or something like that I think when I

973
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,650
was a lot younger I was quite naive

974
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:41,200
believing in the potential for psychics

975
00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:43,660
and whatnot but then actually went and

976
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:45,640
saw you regular at the civic leader in

977
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:48,340
Newcastle I got a free ticket but I did

978
00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:49,870
go and see him and I remember God how to

979
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:52,300
do that no I know but I think becoming

980
00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:54,250
interested in people like Randy like

981
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:56,860
Jaron brown like Richard Dawkins people

982
00:45:00,690 --> 00:44:57,970
like that and listening to them speak

983
00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:00,700
and hearing how common it isn't how easy

984
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:02,140
it is for people to be tricked and to

985
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,360
sort of learn to use your mind and sort

986
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:06,160
of take not take everything just because

987
00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:07,330
that's what's being presented but to

988
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:08,830
look at evidence and things like that is

989
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:11,410
critical thinking absolutely if there's

990
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:12,490
something you might have been filled

991
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:15,070
with in the past or yesterday long it's

992
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:16,680
so embarrassed

993
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:19,570
astronomy tarot cards I was into all

994
00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:21,310
that i think is astrology the

995
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:22,750
astronomers are you upset yes sorry

996
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:25,000
right what's dice I know you by the way

997
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,750
guys do we have to I'm Capricorn which

998
00:45:33,090 --> 00:45:30,880
I'm pleased to say means nothing to me

999
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:33,100
seem like a Capricorn exactly I thought

1000
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:35,290
you'd say that well look at have a great

1001
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:36,970
time here we gonna meet rudy a very

1002
00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:38,650
Randy Randy know he was on the Brady

1003
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:39,880
Bunch as well I was waiting for each

1004
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,130
Brady Bunch lip to come up here alright

1005
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:43,980
yeah oh sorry i was thinking of them

1006
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:47,230
what was the show that later happy days

1007
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:49,270
happy days that's right he got Fonzie to

1008
00:45:57,810 --> 00:45:56,280
we just did the meet and greet

1009
00:45:59,550 --> 00:45:57,820
afterwards and a few people are gonna be

1010
00:46:00,750 --> 00:45:59,560
seeing Randy doing his thing here what

1011
00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:00,760
did you think of the movie and the

1012
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,980
nighttime those excellent actually it

1013
00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:05,200
was quite nice in the fact that I came

1014
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:07,300
expecting more of a logical explanation

1015
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:09,430
of debunking and and strangely turned

1016
00:46:13,890 --> 00:46:11,890
into a love story in some respects so it

1017
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:13,900
was quite an interesting film fantastic

1018
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:16,660
for more I think because of that and so

1019
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:18,280
having this stuff you expect it but also

1020
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:21,490
the i guess the honesty in terms of his

1021
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:23,170
own personal relationships and certainly

1022
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:25,060
the twist at the end yes I almost

1023
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,250
stopped the spoilers but the fact that

1024
00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:28,960
he came out as being gay and everyone

1025
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:31,120
was like so what that was really not the

1026
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:33,010
big issue really wasn't yeah no but I

1027
00:46:36,510 --> 00:46:34,630
think it's nice it's addressed quite

1028
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:36,520
early in the film matter-of-factly as

1029
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:38,470
part of the thing but now excellent film

1030
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:40,570
excellent film and what did you think of

1031
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:42,070
the movie tonight yeah thought it was

1032
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:43,510
great as well I mean I wasn't expecting

1033
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:46,770
yeah the story that actually

1034
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:48,510
presented the de nerval of all the

1035
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:50,130
debunking that James has done in his

1036
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:53,790
life most of it seen it along the over

1037
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,970
the years yeah it's fine as hell Don

1038
00:46:59,900 --> 00:46:58,500
lane there's place that's the important

1039
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,910
part in the movie really of Ozma that's

1040
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:01,800
a pretty pivotal moment it's obvious

1041
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:03,210
quite fundamental people selling my age

1042
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:06,270
in terms of that thing cuz I think up

1043
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:08,670
till then most people tend to you just

1044
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:10,290
like a whether it's true or not Doris

1045
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:12,270
Stokes whatever that's fine but i think

1046
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:16,440
that moment gave people to a point to

1047
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:18,450
say called called hope and hokum to

1048
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:20,670
actually say it's this is rubbish this

1049
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:22,500
really is rather than just accepting it

1050
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:24,630
so i'm certainly for me it was part of

1051
00:47:28,850 --> 00:47:27,480
that but I Perez got honestly forgot the

1052
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,860
Richard Carlton story I think I must be

1053
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:31,440
in a way that week or something but now

1054
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:34,950
excellent really excellent film there's

1055
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:36,180
some people who have traveled across New

1056
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:37,650
South Wales to be here tonight in sydney

1057
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,450
i believe you from bathurst that's right

1058
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:41,520
and why have you here tonight you get

1059
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:43,290
you've traveled across the state to see

1060
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:45,480
an 86 year old retired magician on stage

1061
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,700
talk about critical thinking of course

1062
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:49,440
well I've got to be honest I heard that

1063
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:52,320
he was really amazing and he did you

1064
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,140
think so he did not disappoint it was a

1065
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:57,180
really wonderful film anyone out there

1066
00:48:00,830 --> 00:47:59,460
who is thinking about seeing a tour on

1067
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:00,840
the fence they should definitely see it

1068
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:03,930
when they get the opportunity and yet

1069
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:05,340
become involved in skepticism when they

1070
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:06,870
can i'm sure listening to this podcast

1071
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:09,510
they're obviously interested and of all

1072
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:11,730
the sub scams and things that he's

1073
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:13,290
busted is there one that was shown in

1074
00:48:18,059 --> 00:48:15,190
the film you a that was good

1075
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,069
I don't know about good I one of those

1076
00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:20,800
reactions you know you have the

1077
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,150
different reactions depending on the

1078
00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:24,160
level of scam you've got the things like

1079
00:48:32,579 --> 00:48:28,060
pop off where it's oh it's really great

1080
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:32,589
that he was able to hamper that but the

1081
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:35,770
one that feels the best is probably a

1082
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:40,420
gala on on Carson because it's just so

1083
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:42,520
fun to watch so fun to watch him kind of

1084
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:44,010
I guess suddenly he can't do his

1085
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:47,500
illusions ya feeling not strong not

1086
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:50,410
feeling strong enough and that's always

1087
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:52,450
find us and and I always ask people on

1088
00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:54,190
the show this is what's your sort of

1089
00:48:58,990 --> 00:48:55,780
whoo that get your back up the first

1090
00:49:01,800 --> 00:48:59,000
well what's the loo that gets your goat

1091
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:01,810
that is that's a tough question maybe

1092
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:03,830
homeopathy just because there's so

1093
00:49:08,290 --> 00:49:07,040
little to it and I'm sure you've been in

1094
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,300
the situation where you're trying to

1095
00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:10,880
talk through with someone like okay so

1096
00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:12,680
what do you feel like you get out of it

1097
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:15,590
but what about these things and this and

1098
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:16,820
then you get right down to the level

1099
00:49:20,290 --> 00:49:18,470
where it's like I say so basically at

1100
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:20,300
this point we've rewritten physics and

1101
00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:22,100
they're still like yeah but it makes me

1102
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,200
it makes me feel better and at that

1103
00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:26,480
point it's kind of well we have to agree

1104
00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:28,040
to disagree all right then what's your

1105
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:30,500
name hi mellow also from bathurst street

1106
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:32,030
that is correct and what did you learn

1107
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:33,650
tonight from seeing the documentary on

1108
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:35,690
James Randi and hearing the man being

1109
00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:38,060
interview on stage it definitely looks

1110
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:39,560
like to his main name of being quite

1111
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,310
amazing was their particular part of the

1112
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:45,680
movie like in his personal life that you

1113
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,510
found illuminating my event oh that's

1114
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:49,520
that's interesting I think you

1115
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:50,990
definitely pulled to my emotions the

1116
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:52,940
story about his partner and him and the

1117
00:49:57,820 --> 00:49:55,210
trials they went through but also how he

1118
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:57,830
combatted all these different types of

1119
00:50:00,850 --> 00:49:59,390
people and what they were trying to sell

1120
00:50:02,380 --> 00:50:00,860
and how they were harming the public I

1121
00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:02,390
think that's a really important story to

1122
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:03,980
get out especially how we finished and

1123
00:50:07,390 --> 00:50:05,390
close the night telling is always to be

1124
00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:07,400
kind about it and to always you know

1125
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:09,620
think of others before we maybe jump on

1126
00:50:13,690 --> 00:50:10,940
the band we're going to be the too harsh

1127
00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:13,700
towards it's very important look I'm

1128
00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:14,660
going to see if I can find some more

1129
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:16,100
types of James around you on the Don

1130
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:18,230
Lane show yes that looks fantastic i

1131
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:19,730
remember when we're at the convention

1132
00:50:23,110 --> 00:50:21,290
last weekend sunrise I'll showing that

1133
00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:23,120
infamous tape and it's unfortunately

1134
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,350
seems to me that's what Brandis

1135
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:26,480
associated with in Australia it's really

1136
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:27,890
disappointing considering the work he

1137
00:50:31,090 --> 00:50:29,510
has done and especially if Dick Smith

1138
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:31,100
the stuff they've come out a dumper the

1139
00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:32,810
public was really disappointing that

1140
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:34,220
that's when the media decides to draw

1141
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:36,110
around look and it's funny that even in

1142
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:37,550
the day to the internet I reckon that

1143
00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:39,290
you could still pull something like the

1144
00:50:43,150 --> 00:50:41,150
car loss it wouldn't be as easy but you

1145
00:50:45,970 --> 00:50:43,160
still could do it oh definitely oh yeah

1146
00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:45,980
its people really tricky with what they

1147
00:50:50,110 --> 00:50:48,620
can do now they never enter surprise me

1148
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:50,120
that's great have you got many local

1149
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:52,070
skeptics in bathurst or in that area no

1150
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:53,930
we actually just met a few people from

1151
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:56,030
orion she tonight and we're discussing

1152
00:50:58,780 --> 00:50:57,170
starting up the skeptics in the pub

1153
00:50:59,860 --> 00:50:58,790
which would be absolutely amazing you'd

1154
00:51:01,060 --> 00:50:59,870
be great to get some more people

1155
00:51:01,609 --> 00:51:01,070
involved I definitely know there's

1156
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,619
members

1157
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:04,140
but we were reluctant to be coined with

1158
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,640
the name skeptic but they're really

1159
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:07,920
interested in the scientific critical

1160
00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:09,390
thinking and rationale behind some of

1161
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:11,279
the claims that are sort of brought to

1162
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:12,930
them especially scientist so it would be

1163
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:13,890
great to reach out to the wider

1164
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:15,420
community and get some more people yeah

1165
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,430
even if you just got half a dozen people

1166
00:51:21,289 --> 00:51:18,720
in a pub for a start off and you just

1167
00:51:23,059 --> 00:51:21,299
had a back room and watch some uh no all

1168
00:51:24,529 --> 00:51:23,069
cosmos videos or something that'll be a

1169
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:24,539
kickoff I'd be amazing in these

1170
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,710
definitely something I'd really like to

1171
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:28,079
work towards we're backstage here again

1172
00:51:31,819 --> 00:51:29,819
and something I've gotta ask laura leon

1173
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:31,829
is what the hell is that mr. fire I

1174
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:34,410
mystify that is a really good question I

1175
00:51:38,779 --> 00:51:36,599
think I mr. fire is the name someone

1176
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:38,789
gives themselves when they can't admit

1177
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:42,390
that they're a magician okay it's a sort

1178
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:45,210
of a gray in between no man's land I

1179
00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:46,680
think people can come up with many

1180
00:51:50,509 --> 00:51:48,059
different types there's mr. fires

1181
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,519
there's astonishes you know I mean he's

1182
00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:52,380
a good one of a scholarship but it's

1183
00:51:55,220 --> 00:51:53,579
also quite interesting when you look at

1184
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:55,230
the history of magic it seems like a lot

1185
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:56,339
of the in the got especially in the

1186
00:52:00,980 --> 00:51:58,170
Golden Age of magic there's been so many

1187
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,990
magicians with the great or the

1188
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:03,599
incredible I mean James Randy's the

1189
00:52:08,410 --> 00:52:05,099
amazing Randi but we never hear about

1190
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:08,420
magicians who are mildly entertaining

1191
00:52:15,579 --> 00:52:11,640
magicians or the ambiguously okay

1192
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:15,589
magician the equivocal yeah yeah yeah

1193
00:52:19,999 --> 00:52:18,569
where do you think you know your magic

1194
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:20,009
and you know history of magic weird as

1195
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:22,710
James Randi sit in the history of magic

1196
00:52:28,579 --> 00:52:26,910
oh I would imagine he well as he was

1197
00:52:31,579 --> 00:52:28,589
saying on station I he's been recognized

1198
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:31,589
by the academy of magical arts as a

1199
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:33,690
living legend

1200
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:36,420
I mean I believe that's truly weary

1201
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:37,830
where he stands in the pantheon of

1202
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:40,800
modern magic also for my point of view

1203
00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:43,830
like I read his book conjuring by James

1204
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,320
rania Scott Esquire when I was a young

1205
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:49,680
teenager in the library and what I loved

1206
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:51,660
about that particular book when I was

1207
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:53,850
starting out in magic as a very nerdy

1208
00:52:59,060 --> 00:52:56,220
kid was the fact that it didn't teach

1209
00:53:00,380 --> 00:52:59,070
you a single trick you taught you more

1210
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:00,390
than that it taught you about the

1211
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:02,850
history of magic the genres of magic

1212
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:05,130
that they're amazing names behind magic

1213
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,300
from all the countries of the world

1214
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,460
there's different types of magic and it

1215
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,680
gave me this appreciation of something

1216
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,720
as an art form rather than oh I need to

1217
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:14,400
learn a trick to fool someone I learned

1218
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:17,370
about the true history in appreciation

1219
00:53:21,590 --> 00:53:19,560
of it as an ass but that's more valuable

1220
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:21,600
in some ways because you can just read

1221
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,310
how to do a trick but if you can read

1222
00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:24,960
the history of why you should do the

1223
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:26,430
trick that's more important well yeah I

1224
00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:27,690
know especially with this book in the

1225
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:29,430
library maybe if he taught some tricks

1226
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:31,110
in the book I could steal this book from

1227
00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:33,570
the library but I didn't I returned it I

1228
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:35,550
borrowed that book so many times in the

1229
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,700
library back then and so it was so great

1230
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,800
on this to other evening with james

1231
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,680
randi tour to meet him in person look

1232
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,660
it's actually it's not too hard work up

1233
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:46,800
there because you just give him a little

1234
00:53:51,350 --> 00:53:48,300
nudge and he goes off on a great story

1235
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:51,360
oh I think he has a lot of stories he's

1236
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:53,700
probably got a catalog of impressive

1237
00:53:59,390 --> 00:53:57,330
feats and and and situations and amazing

1238
00:54:01,610 --> 00:53:59,400
points of view and you know you only

1239
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,620
have to say a particular word and he's

1240
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:03,960
got a point of view on it or story about

1241
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:07,260
it but it's so generously so why's he so

1242
00:54:12,569 --> 00:54:10,150
generous even backstage

1243
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:12,579
what he told you did you did you drink

1244
00:54:17,789 --> 00:54:15,190
acceptance has he got a wild bar going

1245
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:17,799
back there ah I know for certain james

1246
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:20,770
randi does not touch alcohol or drugs he

1247
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:23,369
prefers his Myers be completely clear

1248
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:25,480
when you're dangling from a rope on a

1249
00:54:30,180 --> 00:54:27,670
helicopter you have to be you have to be

1250
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:30,190
but yeah backstage he you know pulled me

1251
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:33,010
aside and he taught me a magic trick to

1252
00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:35,950
improve some of my mentalism and you

1253
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:38,680
know discussed some theories and some

1254
00:54:44,849 --> 00:54:41,950
say methods that he came up with that no

1255
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:44,859
one else does and got really privy

1256
00:54:47,579 --> 00:54:46,270
talking to him in a way that most other

1257
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:47,589
people wouldn't you were in the industry

1258
00:54:53,010 --> 00:54:50,440
kind of well I've been serving with him

1259
00:54:56,010 --> 00:54:53,020
for the last few days and maybe maybe in

1260
00:54:59,370 --> 00:54:56,020
the last day or so he's he's come to

1261
00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:59,380
warm to me as not just it's not another

1262
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:01,660
fan boy you know I know as a

1263
00:55:06,029 --> 00:55:04,720
professional performer myself when

1264
00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:06,039
people come up to me they get quite

1265
00:55:11,069 --> 00:55:08,500
nervous meeting their heroes and when I

1266
00:55:12,510 --> 00:55:11,079
met my hero in the last few days and I

1267
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:12,520
have met him before in a professional

1268
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:15,190
context but when I'm sitting backstage

1269
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:17,260
with him someone who I've admired since

1270
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:20,049
I was you know a teenager I have to

1271
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:22,990
realize don't be a fanboy just look like

1272
00:55:29,099 --> 00:55:27,609
a colleague another professional ah but

1273
00:55:30,569 --> 00:55:29,109
then when I remember people this is

1274
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:30,579
someone who's worked in the industry and

1275
00:55:35,099 --> 00:55:33,520
for you to sort of get be like that it

1276
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:35,109
but it's hard to do is it's hard to just

1277
00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:36,609
remove your memory of the person and the

1278
00:55:41,819 --> 00:55:38,140
way you feel about them and relax isn't

1279
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:41,829
it but what makes it easy is he is just

1280
00:55:48,029 --> 00:55:44,020
like the grandpa you've always wanted to

1281
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:48,039
have ah and when you realize he is just

1282
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:49,890
another human being

1283
00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:53,160
is a lot more talented and funny and

1284
00:56:00,350 --> 00:55:57,390
intelligent than I'll ever be but having

1285
00:56:03,490 --> 00:56:00,360
said that he is a human first and

1286
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:03,500
foremost is just a really great guy and

1287
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:06,420
backstage it shines he's just making

1288
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:10,890
jokes is you know willing to share with

1289
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:12,930
a fellow magician who is nowhere near to

1290
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,010
his his level a trick or two and it's

1291
00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:19,440
been an absolute pleasure just to set up

1292
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:20,820
on a stage and ask him all the questions

1293
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:23,970
I've ever wanted to ask him let me think

1294
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:25,470
of critical thinking let's ask a

1295
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:27,210
seasonal question here how come most

1296
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:28,650
people can get around the critical

1297
00:56:32,330 --> 00:56:30,630
thinking of Santa but they don't manage

1298
00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:32,340
to apply that to a few no other things

1299
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:34,220
in their lives like a stroller G or

1300
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:36,330
crystals yeah that's a really good

1301
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:39,450
question I know James discusses it in

1302
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:41,490
the terms that people have a want they

1303
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:43,140
want what's not so much a want but they

1304
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:46,380
need to believe in something and I think

1305
00:56:50,330 --> 00:56:48,330
once they once you pinpoint what that

1306
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:50,340
need is whether it's a fact that they

1307
00:56:54,350 --> 00:56:51,960
feel insecure about their lives or they

1308
00:56:57,020 --> 00:56:54,360
feel like they don't have control and

1309
00:56:59,180 --> 00:56:57,030
they need to a psychologist would say

1310
00:57:01,850 --> 00:56:59,190
find an external locus of control to

1311
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:01,860
explain their situation in the world and

1312
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:04,440
sometimes people feel like they need to

1313
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:06,600
have someone to tell them what to do

1314
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:09,810
with their lives certainly with a

1315
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:11,730
skeptic movement it's really hard to

1316
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:13,710
tell people this is how you should

1317
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:16,710
believe but I tell you what when James

1318
00:57:21,370 --> 00:57:19,740
Randi says I think you know so you have

1319
00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:21,380
to have compassion

1320
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:23,600
have to be critical the critical thinker

1321
00:57:28,570 --> 00:57:26,690
then you listen because he has met a lot

1322
00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:28,580
of people who are both charlatans and

1323
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,070
frauds but also a lot of people who have

1324
00:57:36,850 --> 00:57:33,440
a genuine need to want to understand and

1325
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,860
they are seeking explanations and the

1326
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:38,480
mud moment in your life was the whole

1327
00:57:42,130 --> 00:57:40,670
San Lucas conspiracy G gap do you

1328
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:42,140
remember them no matter where Hank what

1329
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:44,990
a minute I absolutely remember and it

1330
00:57:48,070 --> 00:57:46,730
was I always did as a scientific

1331
00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:48,080
experiment and I didn't know was a

1332
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:50,150
little naive scientist when I was a

1333
00:57:55,390 --> 00:57:53,030
child but my house in box here where I

1334
00:57:56,620 --> 00:57:55,400
grew up didn't have a chimney but how

1335
00:57:59,620 --> 00:57:56,630
was I getting Christmas presents every

1336
00:58:01,690 --> 00:57:59,630
single year right so starting summer or

1337
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:01,700
Nate breakin into deal that's right so

1338
00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:03,740
my hypothesis was but perhaps Santa

1339
00:58:07,540 --> 00:58:05,750
Claus isn't real so I tested it out my

1340
00:58:10,270 --> 00:58:07,550
method was to go downstairs hide behind

1341
00:58:12,490 --> 00:58:10,280
the couch and Christmas Eve results I

1342
00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:12,500
saw my parents putting presents

1343
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underneath the tree and my conclusion

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was Santa Claus it doesn't exist and

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then the following year on the first day

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of school i got up at X show-and-tell

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and everyone was showing off their

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Christmas toys and their Christmas

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presents and I got up in front of

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everyone and I said Santa Claus does not

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exist no more popular yeah well my

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friends shield at the time he's heckled

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you know he said that's bull de Santa

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Claus does exist he puts a process

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underneath my tree every single year and

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I said that's because my parents break

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into your house and put them there oh

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it's okay so that's not quite the right

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explanation but you know that was

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logical and I'll using my critical mind

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yes for many people I i feel about this

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myself if I ever have kids or when I

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00:58:57,580 --> 00:58:54,620
have kids will I ever dress up a Santa

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Claus where I carry on with this adult

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delusion this cultural delusion to gives

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a tough issue for a skeptic isn't it

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00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:04,640
well I believe a it's good for a science

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point of view and also good from a

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a parenting point of view because if

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people when they think about their

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childhood memories Christmas is an

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important joyful moment about bringing

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families together and secondly it it is

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the foot one that when a child works out

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the center doesn't exist it's their

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first skeptical moment of critical

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thinking they've suddenly realized that

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the world isn't as as always seems all

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it's not parents have been lying to them

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and their parents have been lying to

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them however the kids bricks that

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intelligence level would they do the

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switcheroo and they go okay that's fine

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00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:42,230
i set this delusion so I'll just carry

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on with it because I know mom and dad

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00:59:48,310 --> 00:59:45,380
still gonna give me presents yeah

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00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:48,320
exactly there's a benefit yeah so I

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think I think Santa Claus is a good

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thing because people grow out of it well

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thank you for that and merry christmas

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01:00:13,859 --> 00:59:56,420
mr. lawrence i'm sure he'd never heard

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01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:16,320
earlier this week Australian skeptics

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01:00:23,290 --> 01:00:19,310
very saddened to hear of the passing of

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01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:23,300
magician Steve Walker Steve was a

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01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:25,310
wonderful man a wonderful showman a

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01:00:31,150 --> 01:00:28,450
wonderful entertainer a great magician

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01:00:32,829 --> 01:00:31,160
but his rapport with the crowd as

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01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:32,839
something I'll never forget he fronted

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01:00:38,859 --> 01:00:35,450
many skeptics dinners and events and

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01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:38,869
conventions and I learned so much from

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:42,200
Steve Walker about relating to an

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01:00:47,579 --> 01:00:44,450
audience feeling at home on the stage

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01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:47,589
this tribute to Steve was published at

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01:00:54,130 --> 01:00:51,950
www skeptics com not a you Australian

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01:00:56,290 --> 01:00:54,140
skeptics are greatly saddened to hear

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01:00:58,510 --> 01:00:56,300
the death of one of our staunchest

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01:01:01,240 --> 01:00:58,520
supporters Steve Walker who died

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01:01:05,050 --> 01:01:01,250
suddenly and far too early on Thursday

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01:01:07,329 --> 01:01:05,060
December 11 past Australian skeptics

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01:01:10,450 --> 01:01:07,339
president buried Williams rights steve

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01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:10,460
was not only a talented magician he was

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01:01:14,530 --> 01:01:11,990
also one of those rare people who

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01:01:16,359 --> 01:01:14,540
brightened up the lives of all those who

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:16,369
came in contact with him his use of

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01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,410
humor was unsurpassed in making his

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01:01:23,650 --> 01:01:20,960
performance as a delight to all who

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01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:23,660
witnessed them the skeptics owe him an

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01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:26,030
incalculable debt not only in the

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01:01:31,450 --> 01:01:28,609
innumerable gigs he put on for free of

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01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:31,460
charge and which drew record crowds to

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01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:33,710
our dinner functions he performed at our

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01:01:39,490 --> 01:01:36,830
very first convention in 1985 but for

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01:01:41,620 --> 01:01:39,500
his many impromptu performances anywhere

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01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:41,630
a few skeptics were gathered together

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01:01:46,990 --> 01:01:44,450
Steve's unfailing good humor did much to

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01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:47,000
convince those who knew him that despite

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01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:49,369
the perception that some might have that

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01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:52,070
skeptics are a humorous crowd of the

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01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:53,950
spoilers of other people's illusions

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01:01:59,980 --> 01:01:56,900
much enjoyment and fun can be gleaned

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01:02:02,380 --> 01:01:59,990
from belonging to Australian skeptics we

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:02,390
may never see Steve Walker's like again

1433
01:02:22,759 --> 01:02:04,970
and we are much the poorer for his

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01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:25,319
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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01:02:29,999 --> 01:02:27,220
zone next week I think we have some more

1436
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:30,009
Joe alabaster with her convention round

1437
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:32,700
up and an interview with George rub

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01:02:38,460 --> 01:02:35,680
thanks to Maynard lots of interviews

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01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:38,470
coming up from a nod from the Australian

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01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,170
skeptics National Convention thank you

1441
01:02:45,479 --> 01:02:42,880
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01:02:51,509 --> 01:02:48,849
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01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:51,519
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01:02:55,769 --> 01:02:53,529
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01:02:58,349 --> 01:02:55,779
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01:03:00,900 --> 01:02:58,359
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01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:00,910
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1449
01:03:06,839 --> 01:03:04,329
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1450
01:03:09,269 --> 01:03:06,849
who listens to the skeptic zone thank

1451
01:03:11,729 --> 01:03:09,279
you hey I guest reporter Heidi Robinson

1452
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:11,739
she sure can write and she does a good

1453
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:13,450
report to I think she can read a good

1454
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:16,180
report maybe we can encourage her to

1455
01:03:21,690 --> 01:03:18,970
give us some more work some more reports

1456
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:21,700
and more insights from her point of view

1457
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,710
over the coming months I think that

1458
01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:25,599
would be pretty good oh and if you want

1459
01:03:29,579 --> 01:03:27,220
to hear an interview with me and Maynard

1460
01:03:32,579 --> 01:03:29,589
on another podcast why don't you are

1461
01:03:35,609 --> 01:03:32,589
Google skeptically challenged by Russ

1462
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:35,619
bulge he interviewed myself and Maynard

1463
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:37,150
and a few other people at the convention

1464
01:03:42,299 --> 01:03:40,049
and that might make for some

1465
01:03:45,509 --> 01:03:42,309
entertaining listening well that's

1466
01:03:47,999 --> 01:03:45,519
enough for me I'm going to pack up yes

1467
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:48,009
put Fred in the box now if it doesn't go

1468
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:50,170
in a box at least sound asleep at the

1469
01:03:55,819 --> 01:03:54,190
moment are when he's cat post yeah but

1470
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:55,829
frayed around the edges the old cat post

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01:04:01,380 --> 01:03:59,200
until next week with lots more reports

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01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:01,390
this is Richard Saunders signing off

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01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:08,770
you've been listening to the skeptic

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01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:13,790
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